FCKH8 video I found.. [b]ALOT OF CUSSING


[MOD EDIT: Sorry, Nik ♥ MN] 

Who would let their 4 year old say that sh!t!

I might get myself a shirt:) haha 

This, The Trevor Project, and Give a D@mn have my heart.

I don't think kids swearing is a big deal, personally - I love the one in the beginning of Lunchbox by Marilyn Manson! 

Who would let their 4 year old say that sh!t!

I might get myself a shirt:) haha

its for a cause.. so i dont think its TERRIBLE.. it shocked me at first, but its for sh!ts and giggles getting a point across. and I might get myself a shirt also! :D 

Thats pretty rad! I had to share it thanks for posting. 

I think all the swearing makes it into a joke instead of a seious problem. I think they could get their point across with less swearing.. but that is just me. 

i found distastefully, and I think they probably lost some who would have supported the cause.

and I thought I cuss like a sailor. 

Disgusting! The language that is. There is no one in my family or circle of friends I would feel comfortable sharing this with! That includes my gay friends. 

I think they probably lost some who would have supported the cause.

Anyone who would be put off of equal rights for all human beings based on swearing was NEVER a supporter of the cause, that's absolutely inane. 

I think all the swearing makes it into a joke instead of a seious problem. I think they could get their point across with less swearing.. but that is just me.

And some organizations do. This one comes from the frustration of being treated like second class citizens. It's nice that one group of people don't just express their anger in private, but let it be known to the world.

It's because it's so controversial and in your face that the original version of this drew a TON of views on youtube & attention. It gets people talking - look at this thread. Once, maybe a year ago or so, I posted a news thread about gay military members taking abuse that got maybe 4 views and no responses.

There's a marked difference here. 

For one- that's inappropriate for here based on the "rules" we were given. I try not to edit too much that goes on here but I can't let that stay up there.

For two (personal opinion coming here):

I would never allow my child to participate in a video of that caliber. The video teaches kids to hate those who are "anti gay" while telling others not to hate.

Cursing and be hateful towards Christians because SOME of them hate gay people is the same as someone discriminating against another because they're gay.

Not all churches hate gay people- that's a very general, blanket statement. 

Woah, woah - where did they hate on Christians, explicitly? They mentioned church and they mentioned Jesus, but I didn't think Christians were the only ones who worshiped Jesus in a church. It was my understanding (and maybe I took them wrong, totally willing to swallow that pill!) that they were talking directly about churches and members who didn't like gays. "Jesus loves the little children, but not if they're gay," or something to that effect, I thought was in reference to what some people actually do hear at church, not a blanket statement about all churches.

Again, though, I may have projected my own feelings, there, that only some religious people are some of the problem.

Meanwhile, yeah, I agree with you that there's some hypocrisy in encouraging anger (not hatred, nobody in there said they hated anybody) against people who practice violence against gays, but they're not talking about people who are anti-gay (in this video). They are talking specifically about bullies, about violence

. . . it's uh . . . golly, how do I articulate this. I don't usually have these problems.

Okay, I see it like this - an act of violence and harassment is an act of violence and harassment, no matter who it is exacted upon. I was taught in school to fear and be aggressive against "strangers with candy," so to speak, and later on, against male attackers. ESPECIALLY aggressive there, using knees, keys, and endless recitations of certain words to try and ward off an attack.

To me, saying that this video promotes anger against bullies is not only a bit of a "duh," but also a necessity. They aren't saying, "If you see someone saying that they aren't comfortable with the idea of homosexuality, get in their face and scream," you know?

They're saying knock it the f*ck off, those of you who strip away rights, call us names and beat us, physically, bloody, your destructive behavior is leading people to suicide. 

... Holy balls, sorry for the wall of text, Maria. I couldn't articulate myself there. It's TOO EARLY. 

No, you're right. They did say "church." I took it to mean Christians. And when I said, "cursing and being hateful towards Christians"- well I think they were. But I also think they were cursing and being hateful to everyone mentioned in that video- I just agree the others and not about church. I think most churches (and most Christians) get a really bad rap because of the bad choices of specific churches and people.

I'm not sure if I consider myself a Christian anymore but when I did consider myself one, I didn't hate gay people.

So to me, they were rude in their satire (which I get it- satire is supposed to be sarcastic, rude). That's just my personal opinion though- I feel they were mocking Jesus, church and even Christians. 

When they put their hands together in prayer and say, "Let's go to CHURCH!"

and then "Jesus loves the little children...just not the gay ones?"


That's what I found hateful. But my opinion isn't fact. It's just an opinion. 

Different interpretations is what art's all about, right? =D 

When they put their hands together in prayer and say, "Let's go to CHURCH!"

and then "Jesus loves the little children...just not the gay ones?"

No, I totally understood what section you were talking about, I just took it the exact opposite way. I honestly thought they were only talking about those groups who DO preach, in church, about what a sin homosexuality is.

But like I said, I may have projected my own ideas, there, and like you said, it's just your opinion. I think only the director could settle this one! 

And all of that up there ^ sounded way better than, I just don't like the video because I cringe when people drop the f bomb too frequently.


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I don't like that they used kids and allowed to say those things, especially the little girl :( 

:) 

Ha, I don't know what to think. On one hand, I think they come across as hateful and their message may be lost upon many people, especially those with children. But on the other hand I don't blame them for their hatred and frustration. 

Well, yeah! When you're constantly being told you're not as important as straight people or you spend your life being physically brutalized just because you fell in love with someone who had the same equipment as you, I think a little unadulterated anger is justifiable.

Hi, my name is Noel, and I run this topic into the ground every time.. >.> 

That's fine Noel. Unadulterated anger amongst adults is perfectly fine. It's the whole "kids saying the f bomb" part that will make people not take them seriously. Whether anyone likes it or not, if you don't know how to get across to people and appeal to them, your message will be lost, no matter how justifiable it is. 

I have a mouth like a sailor, but I cannot stand to see a kid cuss.

My parents neighbors kid is like 12 (tops) and when he's outside playing football with his other hoodlum friends I can hear them yelling, "you f*cking crybaby" and I'm just like WTF.

It takes all I have not to go over and give their parents a piece of my mind. 

Unadulterated anger amongst adults is perfectly fine. It's the whole "kids saying the f bomb" part that will make people not take them seriously. Whether anyone likes it or not, if you don't know how to get across to people and appeal to them, your message will be lost, no matter how justifiable it is.



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Whether anyone likes it or not, if you don't know how to get across to people and appeal to them, your message will be lost, no matter how justifiable it is.

But what people are we talking about appealing to? Their Twitter account occasionally posts how much money is made for the cause as a result of each t-shirt promoting video, those numbers make it pretty clear that plenty of people DO appreciate this approach.

It's not for everyone, that's for sure. But it's not for no one. 

It's not for everyone, that's for sure. But it's not for no one.

I agree, but personally if I felt oppressed in some way, I would want to get across to lawmakers and the people who matter, not just random people on the internet. Aggressive tactics that center around using curse words and hatred to promote a message may appeal to those who are already in agreement with the message in the first place, but will most likely not prompt lawmakers and those in charge to consider the fact that they may be wrong. Offending people generally causes them to turn the cheek and continue to believe that their prejudice ideas are justified, rather than listen to you and take you seriously. 

I agree, but personally if I felt oppressed in some way, I would want to get across to lawmakers and the people who matter

And many gay support groups do that. This is ONE example of them, and they chose to fight fire with fire. 

Anyone who would be put off of equal rights for all human beings based on swearing was NEVER a supporter of the cause, that's absolutely inane.

I said "cause" but I meant more or less their orgnaization for the cause. Also if you want to educate, I don't think hiding facts between F*CKs! is the way to do it.