In all honesty, I've never had my faith tested so much in my life. I will say this though, I'm extremely tired of hearing "just pray about it" and "if it's God's will".

I sincerely think that any God who would allow his children to suffer in the way some people are suffering (through no fault of their own) is emotionally abusing them.

Think about it- if you beat someone down so much mentally, physically and emotionally, until they can depend on NO ONE but you- well that's domestic abuse.


Juuuuuuuust sayin 

Why do you think I'm lapsed in my religion?

I was tested to the limits in my own life and I can not condone the actions of the Church in both word and deed. 

Someone opened my eyes to a new view recently... When we were discussing being "good people", they said to me....

You will get mad when I say this, but I hate living.... I hate life....

I told them, You are preaching to the chior....

and thier response....

Then let's die together....

What is your (general sense...I don't want reponses) reaction to that one?

You have a choice. Life sucks. We are here on earth basically because two people had sex.

What we do with our life here is up to us because God gave us free will and the power of choice.

I choose to live even though I hate living... 

Yep yep.


I used to be a believer... But damn if I didn't get tired of hearing "God doesn't give you more than you can handle" Or "God is always with you"

Um, if "God" didn't give people more than they can handle... why would anyone ever commit suicide?

And if God is always with us, watching over us, then he is one perverted son of a B. How many infants, toddlers and children get sexually assaulted under his watch?

So yeah... I choose to believe that no one is sooooo disgusting that they watch that kind of stuff happening to kids and say "well I am with them, they are okay.". I choose to believe that no one person is THAT sick. Therefor I choose to believe he's fake. 

Yep yep.


I used to be a believer... But damn if I didn't get tired of hearing "God doesn't give you more than you can handle" Or "God is always with you"

Um, if "God" didn't give people more than they can handle... why would anyone ever commit suicide?

And if God is always with us, watching over us, then he is one perverted son of a B. How many infants, toddlers and children get sexually assaulted under his watch?

So yeah... I choose to believe that no one is sooooo disgusting that they watch that kind of stuff happening to kids and say "well I am with them, they are okay.". I choose to believe that no one person is THAT sick. Therefor I choose to believe he's fake.


If this was facebook, I would *like* this post. I completely agree with you, 100%. 

why would anyone ever commit suicide?

People commit suicide because they are weak and selfish. I myself think it's a very selfish and ignorant thing to do. I never think life gets so bad you need to end it. It may get rough at times but nothing you can't over come. 

I believe that everything, no matter how absolutely terrible it is, happens for a reason.

I also sort of believe in astrological charts and sh*t. 

why would anyone ever commit suicide?

attempted suicide could be a cry for attention..... 

Some people cannot live with themselves for various reasons.

Depression and other mental illnesses also come into play with suicides. 

Depression and other mental illnesses also come into play with suicides.

^^^ Yep ^^^ Doesn't mean the person is weak OR selfish.

Sometimes suicide is the only way out since a doctor cannot legally help you die in peace and pain free.
They're down a hole so deep they feel like there is no way out. 

A lot of times we'll never know why suicide was committed because they aren't around to tell us. Sometimes the letters left aren't a great way to decipher what went so wrong. 

Life is full of many circumstances that leave us terribly frustrated, an emotional wreck, blown away, depressed, etc. And their a lot of GOOD things out there that go on also..God is NOT one who is causing bad events in our life. Most of the bad is from just chance, or maybe something WE did at a point in our life or others may have done something that contributed to a our bad event.

With all that said, why should we blame God for something most of the time WE did to ourselves, either by bad choices, or wrong living, or we didnt listen to good advice?

Just some bad events just seem to happen without ANY seeming cause. And some blame God when it happens, or when He doesnt step in and fix it the way we want it.

One thig I have learned, no matter what bad event happens in my life, I wil turn to God for comfort, and thank Him for ALL the good I have enjoyed. All this is temporary anyway, We may live to be 70-100 years old, but the next life lasts forever. and I plan on spending that with God.. 

realist, I disagree. I'm a good person. I've lived an incredibly good life. I've helped more people than I can count. I've been a christian for more than half of my life. I absolutely did nothing to deserve what I'm going through. My husband is just like me and he didn't do anything to deserve this either.

Sitting there saying that God didn't put us in this situation but is allowing it to happen really irritates me. Why would he allow this to happen to people who have followed him unerringly for their entire adult lives? 

With all that said, why should we blame God for something most of the time WE did to ourselves, either by bad choices, or wrong living, or we didnt listen to good advice?


And again. I ask about the sexually assaulted children.

If praying to God was supposed to help... and he is the reason for all of your "blessings" then why wouldn't he get the same credit for the horrific things that happen?



People commit suicide because they are weak and selfish. I myself think it's a very selfish and ignorant thing to do. I never think life gets so bad you need to end it. It may get rough at times but nothing you can't over come.

And again, I go back to sexually assaulted children. You think a 12 yr old that commits suicide is just a selfish person, rather than someone who go tossed more crap in her 12 years of life than you could ever have to put up with?

I think that comment that you made... is what makes Christians look bad. Where is your compassion? Where is your empathy? Where is your Christianity now? Is it only valid when it is a Sunday AND you're at church. 

And sure, I'm probably too chicken to completely step away from my faith but right now I'm angry and hurt. And I just don't understand. You can't say we're in the position we're in because of life choices. We're good people and we always do the right thing. The right thing sometimes gets you in trouble. 

Where was God when my father was smashing my head into the kitchen table when I was 5 years old? Where was God when my moms head was being slammed into the living room floor more times than I can count? Where was God when my dad cheated on my mom 100 times? where was God when my dad beat my sister to a pulp over and over again? I could go on and on about the twenty years my mom lived as a hostage in a hellhole of a marriage. And where was God all this time?

God was sitting on His throne and my own FATHER was the one who tortured my family. My dad had freewill to do what he wanted. Was it all fair? absolutely not...my family was destroyed.

So do I wanna blame God for what my father did? Thats convient, but that wont undo the damage. 

Clergymen abusing the flock.

Catholic Church doesn't believe in divorce, but for a fee, the marriage can be annulled, even with a brood of children.

Artificial Birth Control is forbidden.

Abortion is a sin, regardless of the reason.

Nuff said. 

kjzdbgjksbrhg.

Maria, thank you.

Thank you thank you thank you.

That you have been able to dissect and look at even that ONE glaring flaw in the notion of religion, of religious servitude, restores my own faith - in human beings, which is the only kind of faith I've ever had.

I get so frustrated by the "Shut up and take it" mentality you have to accept if you're going to believe that God is all-powerful, enough to create an entire planet, yet.. somehow has no ability to step in and stop the twisted horrors of the people living on that planet.

People can preach that it's up to the individual to carry out God's word and he can't help it if they don't, but that's bullsh*t. I need only look to the story of Job to see that "God" is said to be able to intervene whenever he wants. I guess he's only down for that when it's putting an innocent person through hell just to prove their faith in him.

Sorry, kids, that's not a god I'm into following. 

So do I wanna blame God for what my father did? Thats convient, but that wont undo the damage.


But you praise him for the good? Where is the logic in that.

I don't blame "God" for all the bad in this world. I'd have to believe that there WAS one to blame him. And clearly, there isn't. 

Being a Christian I'd just like to say.....Just as God works in this world, so does the Devil. 

So do I wanna blame God for what my father did? Thats convient, but that wont undo the damage.


But you praise him for the good? Where is the logic in that.

There is none - religion and logic are polar opposites. Talking snake, poison apples, conception without sperm .. hiii, bible!

Realtist, I find it interesting that you say it's too CONVENIENT to blame God. . .

You DON'T find it too convenient that, instead, you are supposed to praise God for all the good, but blame, what, the devil, for everything bad? THAT'S not effing convenient?

Holy balls. 

Then the last part of my post is also directed at you, Ashleigh. 

I didn't say only the Devil gives me the bad and only God gives me the good. Just said they are both working in the world.......

God's given me some hard things in life, but now knowing the outcome I understand why I went through it. 

I believe that everything happens for a reason and although we cant see it then, the reason will eventually identify itself.

I grew up poor, made fun of, and teased. I then got raped and pregnant by my boyfriend who I was forced to marry who physically, emotionally, and verbally abused me. I met him at church and I could ask why did god allow me to meet this person and go through so much suffering?

I was also abused by his entire family, I escaped to live in a womens shelter and he went on to marry someone else but my leaving him seemed to be the only thing that opened they eyes of that family and I now have civil conversations with that man, because he is changed. He realized he will never have anyone on the path he was on.

I was then tested as a single mom, being sexually harrassed at my job, stolen from three times, and cut down by the bosses wife.

Every guy I dated ended up being a cheater, a liar, or had a wife and I didnt know. Some even told me to get rid of my kids.

I lived without water, without electric, and food, as well as without dignity in admitting I had been defeated in life.

I was on the brink of thinking of suicide because I could see no good left in people or the world.

I now know that god had a plan for me to experience suffering first hand so that I could know peoples hearts and be compassionate in feeling them to help people and to understand. If I had not gone through all that suffering I would not be as strong as I am or as motivated with a drive to be something noone ever said I could be. God has blessed me and I am now able to help those less fortunate.

For example, if we live a life of privalege and are given everything we wanted and nothing bad ever happened to us, we would be bored and ask what is our purpose in life. Without bad we would not appreciate the good, there would be no such thing as good because there was never bad to compare it too.

Also often when you walk closer to god the devil is not far behind, causing a path to beat you down and test your faith where god gets blamed for it. Maybe he stands back to see how strong you are against the devil. There have been times in my life when I slacked as a christian out of fear of knowing that if my faith was not strong enough bad things would happen and not because of god but because the devil wants me to turn away and blame god. I know how that all works due to being in an abusive marriage the more I tried to turn to people to help me, the angrier my abuser got and the more problems he caused.

I am not the best with words but I know that through all that I now see the light at the end of the tunnel and I thank god my kids dont have to go through what I did but I also know that if they did they would grow up to be better people.

My mom always told me god helps those who help themselves, god provided a way for me to escape my abusive past and I took it, some people just choose to ignore the signs.

In health care the very structure that holds us together entirely is laminin. Google a picture of lamanin because you have to see it to know what I am saying, it speaks for itself. 

There is none - religion and logic are polar opposites. Talking snake, poison apples, conception without sperm .. hiii, bible!


Exactly. Logic or bust. 

god provided a way for me to escape my abusive past and I took it, some people just choose to ignore the signs.

I think that's a dangerous thing to say. As someone in this thread pointed out, a 12-year-old (or, say, a 7-year-old) being sexually abused doesn't see the f*cking signs and ignore them. They are victimized, and simple psychology has all the reasons for their silence, for their inability to confront, escape and speak out, if they don't. It has nothing to do with religion - it's a bad thing that happens in the world, and sometimes there is no happy ending, and sometimes there is. 

I think that's a dangerous thing to say. As someone in this thread pointed out, a 12-year-old (or, say, a 7-year-old) being sexually abused doesn't see the f*cking signs and ignore them. They are victimized, and simple psychology has all the reasons for their silence, for their inability to confront, escape and speak out, if they don't. It has nothing to do with religion - it's a bad thing that happens in the world, and sometimes there is no happy ending, and sometimes there is.

I think that all depends on if that person is a believer or nonbeliever, god didnt start helping me until I asked and gave him my heart. My dad used to take me to drug parties and I had to fight off grown men trying to molest me at 6 yrs old, I was locked in a bathroom and literally beat a man with a plunger. They never got me but I saw what they did to my brothers through a crack in a door. I am not god and I dont have the answers but I know he answered my prayer to save me. 

You started helping yourself. You were simply too insecure to accept that it was all on you. I think that's the vital component in most religions. Religion IS, plainly speaking, a crutch. It's something you think you're falling back on. "It's in God's hands," what is that? It's a way of saying, I HAVE NO CONTROL IN THIS. It removes the responsibility of doing anything but "praying" on it.

Which is insanity. When you claw your way from a bad situation, YOU have the right to the pride, it was in YOUR hands. And if god only helped you because you asked, then how do you explain those who never get help when they asked? Do you honestly insult people with lives much worse than yours by saying that if God isn't helping them, it's because their heart isn't open to him, or some such nonsense?

It's so hurtful. 

I think that all depends on if that person is a believer or nonbeliever, god didnt start helping me until I asked and gave him my heart.


Are you kidding me? Did you just justify a child being sexually assaulted because of not being a believer? So now... it's not gods fault. It's not the devils fault. It's not the offenders fault. It is the childs fault. They just don't believe enough.

Got it.

*rolls eyes* 

The effect of what we live thru, is made by the choices of others SOME of the time. If you remember the story of Adam and Eve, God WALKED with them in the garden. Everything was kosher...But Adam and Eve chose to 'obtain the knowledge of good and evil' That was their free choice to make. Should we be puppets and allow God to control our EVERY move? Do you want God to control your evry move? Do you want to be a puppet?

I will take freedom and the responsibility that goes with it God allows me to live, either for Him or against Him. I find living for Him is easier than without Him..

If you dont believe in God, so be it. Live the way you want. Its your life. But my hope is that all people turn to God.